Full-Spectrum Faith: The Holy Spirit, Global Governance, and the Alert Church with Travis Weber (EP 368)
Most Western Christians have a faith that lives almost entirely in the head. Travis Weber — Vice President for Policy and Government Affairs at the Family Research Council — argues that's not enough for the hour we're in. In this conversation, Travis shares what the Lord has been showing him about walking in an increasing measure of the Holy Spirit: displacing the enemy, receiving healing, and moving beyond intellectual Christianity into genuine spiritual power.
Then the conversation shifts to the geopolitical: Travis attended the World Health Assembly in Geneva in May 2024, and what he observed should concern every believer. The WHO pandemic agreement, the UN Pact for the Future, and the steady march toward global governance are not distant abstractions — they are a coordinated shift away from national sovereignty and toward centralized, unelected power. This episode equips you to do what the sons of Issachar did: understand the times, pray with authority, and act.
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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT: Full-Spectrum Faith: The Holy Spirit, Global Governance, and the Alert Church
INTRO
Welcome to the podcast. This is Jesus Smart X the Podcast. I'm Brian Del Turco, and today I'm joined by Travis Weber, Vice President for Policy and Government Affairs at the Family Research Council in Washington, D.C. There are two vital themes: what it means to walk in the full power of the Holy Spirit as individual Christ followers, and why Christians need to be awake to the global push for governance and the minimizing of national sovereignty. This is Episode 368 — a recast episode. I think you'll enjoy it. Show notes at jesussmart.com/368. Let's go.
Brian: We have a great guest on the podcast today — Travis Weber, Vice President for Policy and Government Affairs at the Family Research Council in Washington, D.C., holding a Juris Doctorate and a Master's in Law.
Two great themes today. The first is Travis's own recent walk with the Lord and what I've been calling full-spectrum Christianity — full-spectrum Christ following. It is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, not just the Father, Son, and Holy Bible. We hold a very high view of Scripture — you can't get any higher — but we have to move beyond doctrinal assent alone. We have to engage the Holy Spirit. We have to track with the first-century Christ followers and their experience of the Spirit as seen in the Book of Acts and Paul's writings.
If the American church and the Western church are going to meet this hour, we have to meet it with the power of God. And the second theme: my wife and I attended a conference in early October in D.C. and heard Travis on a panel discussing the push toward global governance through organizations like the World Health Organization and the United Nations. We discuss our call to be aware, engaged in prayer, and willing to act where the Lord leads.
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Brian: Travis, welcome. You're a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, served as a Navy pilot, earned your J.D. from Regent University, and a Master's in Law from Georgetown. What was that LLM focus?
Travis: Thank you for having me. It's a Master's in Law from Georgetown — mine was in international law with a focus on international human rights law.
Brian: And you're increasingly involved in international outreach through FRC as well.
Travis: Yes. The family is really under attack globally. The things God established in Genesis 1 and 2 — his prescription for how we are to live — are under assault from the enemy worldwide. Many people are suffering. But it's important to understand that God is good. Suffering is not his doing — it's the result of the fall and the sinful brokenness man has introduced into the world. God is against suffering. He desires healing and hope. That's why he sent Jesus as the redeemer we can turn to and find life.
Brian: That reminds me of the chiropractic concept of subluxation — a misaligned vertebra pinching nerve energy from the brain down through the spine. So much of what's wrong in our world is that we are misaligned with God's created order. It crimps his energy and life flowing to us. You're seeing that globally — the assaults on gender, sexuality, marriage.
Travis: That's right. Being out of alignment with God's Word has caused enormous suffering. At the very same time we've seen profound technological advancement, the CDC is reporting elevated rates of teen suicide risk. We are technologically advanced yet suffering deeply in our overall well-being. That correlation is telling a story.
Brian: Jesus said in John 3 to Nicodemus, "You must be born again" — which implies we're fundamentally born wrong the first time because of the fall in Genesis 3. All of early Genesis seems to be under a coordinated, multifaceted assault — male and female, image of God, family, the creation mandate. Travis, on a personal level — what is the Lord showing you in this season? How is the Holy Spirit leading you?
Travis: One area the Lord has been showing me is walking closely with him to welcome his presence. When we welcome his presence — an increased measure of the Holy Spirit — it displaces the enemy and anything opposed to God. We need that presence to deal with physical and mental illness, to deal with demonic forces, to receive the Spirit's fruits of clarity, peace, and joy, and to receive his guidance in our decisions.
I did not always walk this way, but the Lord has awakened me to this reality. And when you read Scripture, it's all right there. There is nothing in Scripture that says the power of healing and driving out demons is not for today. You have to read that into the text or construct a theological framework to reach that conclusion. For those of us who claim Scripture as the rule of faith and life, the plain text says the Lord came, healed, cast out demons, and desires us to have that same power through the Holy Spirit.
Brian: Would you say there's a difference between the initial indwelling of the Spirit at salvation and an increasing measure of his presence as we grow?
Travis: Absolutely — and Scripture addresses this directly. The disciples couldn't cast out a demon, and Jesus said, "This kind only comes out through prayer and fasting." A certain level of power was needed that wasn't being brought to bear. That's clear in the text.
Many of us in the West are swimming in the sea of the intellect. We've absorbed information our entire lives — through education, culture, institutions — all of it conducted within that intellectual framework. God created the mind and we absolutely need right information. But intellectual knowledge alone is not enough. We need the Lord's presence and spiritual discernment. Psalm 91:1 — dwelling under his shelter and shadow — is a place of refuge. We will run into serious problems if we try to navigate spiritual forces with the intellect alone.
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Brian: Paul told the Corinthians: "I did not come with words only, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not rest in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." That's a challenge. The American praying church does operate in power, but it needs to grow. We need those Kingdom jet streams synchronized with heaven, releasing the power of God even into the geopolitical arena.
My wife Penny and I attended the Pray and Vote Summit sponsored by FRC in early October in D.C., and one panel you were on — with Michele Bachmann and Gabe Lyons, led by Tony Perkins — was focused on the push for global governance. You attended the World Health Assembly in Geneva in May of 2024.
Travis: Yes. The discussion there was entirely focused on how to increase governmental power to address future health emergencies. Individual rights, religious freedom, the question of whether pandemic measures even accomplished what governments claimed — none of that was on the table. When the entire focus is on control and coordination, you get an outcome skewed entirely in that direction.
The fruit of that was borne out in discussions on a pandemic agreement and amendments to the International Health Regulations. The IHR amendments were finalized with incremental steps toward increased global coordination. The pandemic agreement wasn't finalized due to disagreements between countries, but work continues. The trajectory is toward global governance, not away from it.
Brian: And the United Nations Pact for the Future moves in the same direction — well beyond pandemics into digital governance, sustainable development, a crackdown on so-called misinformation.
Travis: The Pact for the Future is a 60-plus page priority agenda document produced by the UN bureaucracy — not by its member states. The UN was created after World War II to coordinate action to protect human rights and prevent another Holocaust. It was meant to serve its members. Instead, unelected bureaucrats are driving their own agenda, increasing the Secretary General's power, and expanding into digital governance and misinformation crackdowns. What's being done in the name of protecting democracy and stopping misinformation is in many cases suppressing legitimate perspectives and free speech. Believers need to observe these trends and discern what's actually being attached to those noble-sounding slogans.
Brian: Acts 17:26–27 says God "made from one man every nation of mankind, having determined their allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place" — so that people might seek him and find him. National sovereignty is woven into God's design. Nations serve as a check and balance against the concentration of global evil. Jesus said, "My house shall be a house of prayer for all nations" — he is a global God, and we need to be what Leonard Sweet calls "glocal" — locally rooted but globally aware. Like the sons of Issachar, we need a prophetic awareness of the times and what we ought to do.
Travis: That's right. The shift is away from national authority toward global power centers — New York, Geneva, Brussels. That shift is at odds with the biblical framework of nations and peoples. The Tower of Babel account shows God's concern about humanity concentrating power apart from him. We have to ask: is God being honored in what these governmental power centers are doing? That matters at any level, but it becomes critical when we're talking about consolidated global authority.
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Brian: So practically — what does the Christ follower do?
Travis: Strengthen your immediate network of believers. Family, church community, close friends who are focused on the Lord — people who help you gaze on him and whom you help in return. Build those relationships of mutual spiritual support. And pray together — not just personal prayer but agreement prayer. Heart-level connection with the Lord, receiving from him, allowing him to heal and minister and strengthen. Then pray, vote, stand — FRC's tagline captures it well. Represent the Lord in whatever place and context he has called you. He has a place for all of us, and if we seek him, he will use us there.
OUTRO
Thanks for listening to the Jesus Smart X podcast today. A huge thank you to Travis Weber and the Family Research Council — visit FRC.org to see more about their important work and resources. Show notes for today's episode are at jesussmart.com/368. And if you're not yet on the Smart Edit newsletter list, I'd love to have you — it's free, weekly, and it comes from a Kingdom worldview. Sign up at jesussmart.com/smartedit. We will rendezvous next time.
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Speaker B:Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker B:This is Jesus Smart X the Podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Brian Del Turco and today I'm joined by Travis Weber, Vice President for Policy and Government affairs at the Family Research council in Washington, D.C. there are two vital themes in this what it means to walk in the full power of the Holy Spirit as individual Christ followers and why Christians then together need to be awake to what's happening in the world in terms of the push for a global global governance and the minimizing of national sovereignty.
Speaker B:This is episode 368.
Speaker B:It's a recast episode.
Speaker B:I think you'll enjoy it and you can go further with the show notes@jesusmart.com 368Let's go.
Speaker C:We have a great guest on the podcast today, Travis Weber.
Speaker C:He's the Vice President for Policy and Government affairs at the Family Research council in Washington, D.C. holds a juris Doctorate as well as a Master's in Law.
Speaker C:You'll hear more about Travis in our dialogue.
Speaker A:Two great themes today.
Speaker C:The first theme that he's discussing is his own recent walk with the Lord and what I am terming and have been for several months now.
Speaker C:Full spectrum Christianity, full spectrum Christ following, meaning that we engage the Holy Spirit.
Speaker C:It is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and not just the Father, Son and Holy Bible.
Speaker C:We have a very high view of Scripture.
Speaker C:Can't get any higher from my perspective, and I know Travis holds that as well.
Speaker C:But we have to move beyond just doctrinal assent and belief and a prayer.
Speaker C:And we have to engage the Holy Spirit in our time, really.
Speaker C:We have to track with the Century one Christ followers, what was their experience with the Holy Spirit as seen in the New Testament, especially the Book of Acts and Paul's writings as well.
Speaker C:And so the reason this is important is that if we as the American church and the Western church are going to meet this hour, meet this moment, we have to meet it with the power of God.
Speaker C:And this fuels our prayer, it informs our engagement and it's just vital.
Speaker C:And so we have a great discussion about that.
Speaker C:And then my wife and I were at a conference in early October in D.C. and we heard Travis on a panel discussion with others talking about the recent initiatives globally towards global governance, how things are shifting and signaling the intent to move towards global governance through international organizations like the World Health Organization, United nations, other initiatives.
Speaker C:And so we discussed this and our call to be aware, to be engaged in prayer and to do whatever the Lord calls us to do on these edges.
Speaker C:So following Christ with power and then using that power geopolitically as the Western church.
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Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:It was a great conversation.
Speaker C:I really appreciate Travis, his heart and his mind and his work.
Speaker A:Here's our discussion.
Speaker A:Travis Weber is with us today.
Speaker A:Travis is highly credentialed guest.
Speaker A:He's a graduate of the US Naval Academy.
Speaker A:He served as a Navy pilot.
Speaker A:He went on to get his Juris Doctorate, his law degree from Regent University, and also another Master's degree in law from Georgetown.
Speaker A:Travis, welcome.
Speaker A:Today, what is the LLM exactly, from Georgetown?
Speaker D:Thank you.
Speaker D:Yeah, thank you for having me on.
Speaker D:That's a Master's in law from Georgetown University, and I received mine in international law with a focus on international human rights law.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:And you even find yourself today, in addition to everything else you're doing at Family Research Council, involved in some international outreach.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And relationship building.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:We're increasingly attentive to the needs coming in from around the world because the family is really under attack globally and the things that the Lord has created and in Genesis, Genesis 1 and 2, and set forth as his prescription for how we are to live and what is best for humans and how we are to live as being from a good God that is under assault from the enemy globally.
Speaker D:It's a global assault on the good things God has created.
Speaker D:The good things that, that he has created for us for his creation.
Speaker D:Human beings created in his image.
Speaker D:You know, many people are suffering globally.
Speaker D:But it's important to understand that God is good God.
Speaker D:God wants blessing.
Speaker D:And so the suffering and sin in the world is not a result of God doing it or creating it.
Speaker D:That would be a slander against the character of God, but rather it's the result of the fall of man and sinful brokenness that man himself has ushered in to the world.
Speaker D:And many are suffering because of this.
Speaker D:The enemy wants to continue to further this suffering and set people against God.
Speaker D:But we know God is against suffering.
Speaker D:He desires healing and hope.
Speaker D:That's why he sent Jesus into the world as the hope and redeemer that we can turn to and find life, healing and hope.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, Travis, I've been watching some videos recently on YouTube on chiropractic.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker E:And it's amazing what YouTube, you know, feeds to you and your algorithm and then all of a sudden you open up a new area of interest, you know.
Speaker E:But yeah, I was actually watching a video last night about just the basic concept of subluxation, you know, the pinching of nerve energy from the brain through a misaligned vertebrae right in the spine.
Speaker E:And I think that isn't it true that so much of the suffering and.
Speaker A:What is wrong in our world today.
Speaker E:Is because we are misaligned with God's created order and it just brings a crimping of his energy and life to us.
Speaker E:So you're seeing it around the world.
Speaker E:So some of the problems we're encountering in America, like with gender or sexuality or marriage, you're seeing more of a global affront as well.
Speaker D:Yeah, no, I think, I think that's true.
Speaker D:And the being out of alignment with God's word.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Has caused, has caused a lot of suffering globally.
Speaker D:You know, I mean, there's been talk about the, about the elevated rates of, of, of mental health problems among young people in the United States, increased risk of suicide.
Speaker D:The numbers are telling a story in which humanity is not well.
Speaker D:And there could be a long discussion, multiple discussions about this alone.
Speaker D:But I will just observe that in this day and time, this era in which there's probably general agreement about the well being, how well humanity is doing, how much success we are doing, we're having, truly.
Speaker D:At the same time, we are seeing a profound increase, acceleration in the level of technological advancement that humanity has brought to the world.
Speaker D:The whole world of tech, social media is one area, can kind of branch out to other areas.
Speaker D:This same time in which we've seen technological advancement, though, we have the US Government, cdc, reporting very high rates of teen suicide risk.
Speaker D:And clearly part of that is from the disconnected nature of humanity and the role of Social media in our lives, the malevolent forces that it accelerates.
Speaker D:But I'll just observe that correlation, that fact that at this time in history, we are technologically advanced, but we are suffering in terms of our overall well being as human beings.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And you know, I guess the Jesus teaching in John 3 to Nicodemus, you must be born again to see and enter the kingdom implies a premise that we're fundamentally born wrong the first time.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because of the fall of humanity that we see in Genesis 3.
Speaker A:It really seems, Travis, that early Genesis is so seminal.
Speaker A:Of course, you know, male, female image of God, family, the creation mandate to rule and multiply and cultivate the earth, develop.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:There just seems to be such a multifaceted affront and attack upon all of these edges of seminal early Genesis.
Speaker A:You know, before we continue with this, this could be very good.
Speaker A:And talk about specifically the World Health Organization and the United Nations Pact for the Future and how this is, you know, how should Christians relate to this?
Speaker A:What should our role be?
Speaker A:Travis, would you mind sharing, just on a personal level, what are you learning these days?
Speaker A:How may the Holy Spirit be leading you in this season of your life?
Speaker A:What, what do you feel the Holy Spirit is ministering to you?
Speaker A:How might the Lord be leading you in this time?
Speaker D:Yeah, so we need the Lord's one.
Speaker D:One area of focus that the Lord has been showing me is the walking with him closely to welcome his presence.
Speaker D:When we welcome his presence, we welcome his spiritual presence, increased measure of the Holy Spirit, and when he is there with us, an increased measure of the Holy Spirit that will displace the enemy and displace anything that's opposed to the Lord, the Holy Spirit.
Speaker D:And we need the Lord's presence in that way in order to deal with illness, physical and mental illness.
Speaker D:We need the Lord's presence to deal with demonic forces set up against God that might be in our vicinity.
Speaker D:We need the Lord's presence to bring the Holy Spirit's fruits, clarity, peace, joy.
Speaker D:And we need him as helper and counselor to show us the way to go with the decisions we're facing in our lives.
Speaker D:So the presence of the Lord is something.
Speaker D:It's a aspect of relationship to the Lord that we must not overlook.
Speaker D:Has been so foundational and crucial to my life in these recent years.
Speaker D:I did not always walk like this, but the Lord has awakened me to this reality.
Speaker D:Then you read Scripture.
Speaker D:It's all right there.
Speaker D:It's how the Lord himself related to his disciples, how he desires to relate to us.
Speaker D:And how he desired us to relate to one another.
Speaker D:Scripture is a picture.
Speaker D:It's a record of the Lord coming to earth, living and then living in the flesh and then leaving us, but then leaving the Holy Spirit with us.
Speaker D:You know, taken as a marching orders, to put it that way, or instructions, you know, we.
Speaker D:Our lives should look like an emulate and we should be bearing the fruits that were born in Scriptures.
Speaker D:There's nothing in Scripture to say that the power of healing and driving out demons is not for today.
Speaker D:That's not there.
Speaker D:You have to actually read that into the scriptural account or create a theological framework which says, that's no longer for today.
Speaker D:But that argument is not in Scripture.
Speaker D:But for those of us who claim to rely on Scripture as the rule of faith and life and our standard for living, we should be reading its plain text and saying, hmm, the Lord came and cast out demons and healed and desires us to have that power as well, which we can have in the Holy Spirit.
Speaker D:So the presence of the Holy Spirit is actually absolutely essential and crucial to walking with the Lord as the Lord intends it.
Speaker D:He desires to be with us in that way through the presence of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker D:And so he desires and he desires that as we draw upon him and desire intimacy and seek intimacy with Him.
Speaker C:So good.
Speaker C:Would you say that there is a.
Speaker A:Difference between somebody saying, yes, I came to the Lord and I repented, I returned to Him, I prayed a prayer, and the Lord is now living in my heart, which he is.
Speaker A:You really cannot be born again without the Holy Spirit residing within Romans is pretty clear on that.
Speaker A:But would you say there's a difference between that and maybe an increasing measure or a development in the believer's life where we can host more of his presence in greater measure?
Speaker D:Absolutely, because we see this in Scripture itself.
Speaker D:The disciples in one instance could not cast out a demon.
Speaker D:And Jesus showed up and they said, why couldn't we cast out?
Speaker D:He said, this kind only comes out through prayer, fasting.
Speaker D:So clearly we see instances in which Jesus himself tells us, addresses the fact that a certain level of power was needed to.
Speaker D:To address a demonic presence that was not being expelled with the amount of power being directed at it.
Speaker D:Yeah, this is clearly addressed in Scripture.
Speaker D:And you know, just to kind of elaborate on this point, you know, many of us in the west where we are brought up, we are swimming in the sea of the intellect.
Speaker D:So we have absorbed information our entire existence.
Speaker D:I mean, on balance, our existence, our childhood, our early education, the culture around us, the people we interact with, the institutions we interact with the cultural framework, the governmental, the way we interact with government.
Speaker D:All of it's conducted in this.
Speaker D:The sea of the intellect.
Speaker D:So the sea is like, you know, it's the water.
Speaker D:We don't.
Speaker D:We're swimming in it.
Speaker D:Sometimes you don't notice the water you're swimming in because you've been in it so long.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:So in the west, we are swimming in intellectual head knowledge.
Speaker D:Of course, God created the intellect.
Speaker D:He created the mind.
Speaker D:We need to be able to identify, understand, and absorb the ideas intellectually because we have to have the right information.
Speaker E:Right?
Speaker D:You can't be operating off the wrong information and think it's right.
Speaker D:That's bad.
Speaker D:Because then we're going to do things that are wrong based on having the wrong information.
Speaker D:So I'm not dismissing this.
Speaker D:I'm acknowledging we need to operate from the correct information.
Speaker D:That is the truth.
Speaker D:We need the truth.
Speaker D:The pursuit of truth is a noble, important, and necessary thing for us to proceed to navigate our lives.
Speaker D:However, it is not the only thing we need to navigate.
Speaker D:We need a Lord's presence, A we need an understanding of and a recognition of the spiritual realm.
Speaker D:It's a very real recognition of the spiritual realm.
Speaker D:We need to understand it with intellectual knowledge, but then operate in it with spiritual power, drawing from the Holy Spirit, making sure we are operating under the Lord's power.
Speaker D:Psalm 91:1 reminds us, if we stay under his shelter and under his shadow, that is a place of refuge and safety.
Speaker D:He sees and knows all, we do not.
Speaker D:We need to stay under his shelter to operate and navigate spiritually or we will run into problems when we encounter forces that we do not see with the eye or understand intellectually, but are real because they are spiritual forces and the spiritual realm is real.
Speaker D:And therefore we will run into problems as we try to navigate those forces, deal with them using only the intellect.
Speaker D:We cannot limit.
Speaker D:We cannot use only the intellect.
Speaker D:We have to use spiritual discernment, and they have to call upon the presence and power of the Lord to navigate those situations.
Speaker A:Amen.
Speaker A:Amen.
Speaker A:You're right.
Speaker A:I think North America and probably Western Europe with it, they're probably further down the line than we are.
Speaker A:But compared to other continents like Latin America or Asia or Africa, we have such an intellectual approach to our faith, unbalanced, as you say, big emphasis upon doctrinal, you know, ascent.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:In agreement.
Speaker A:And, you know, Paul told the Corinthians, I read recently through First Corinthians, he said, when I came to you, I did not come with words.
Speaker A:Only, but I came in demonstration of the spirit and of power, that your faith should not rest in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's challenging, isn't it?
Speaker A:Our faith is supposed to meant to rest on the power of God, not to the exclusion of wrong, of right thinking and doctrine.
Speaker A:It's holistically.
Speaker A:In addition to.
Speaker A:And like the American praying church, we need power.
Speaker A:You know, we have to exert power.
Speaker A:I think I'm grateful that there is a remnant praying church in America that does operate in power, but I want to say that it needs to grow, you know, and I want to be a part of it.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:We need these powerful jet currents, these powerful kingdom jet streams, you know, that are synchronized with heaven and releasing the power of God even in the geopolitical and the national.
Speaker A:Man, we're in the middle of an election season right now.
Speaker A:Penny and I, my wife, we were privileged and really enjoyed attending the prevost and summit sponsored by FRC in Washington this early October.
Speaker A:And you know, one of the panel discussions I really enjoyed, Travis, was one you were on that was talking about the push for global governance.
Speaker A:Michele Bachmann and I forget the other gentleman's name.
Speaker A:I think it was led by Tony Perkins.
Speaker A:Right, that panel discussion.
Speaker D:Tony was leading that panel and that was Gabe Lyons.
Speaker D:Yes, Gabe Lyons spoken out on a number of cultural issues and had presided over the forums known as the Q Ideas Talks.
Speaker D:And Michele Bachmann and myself on that panel.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you know, Michele Bachman said that what we're talking about with the World Health Organization.
Speaker A:I think you were recently.
Speaker A:Didn't you recently attend one of their meetings in May?
Speaker D:Yes, I was at the World Health assembly in the end of May in Geneva, Switzerland.
Speaker A:Okay, so they are attempting to.
Speaker A:They were attempting.
Speaker A:I think they've been unsuccessful so far, thankfully, to pass a pandemic agreement.
Speaker A:And maybe you could touch on, give us the gist of what that is.
Speaker A:But also the United nations passed what they call the Pact for the Future.
Speaker A:And I think your thoughts are that these two initiatives together, it's an attempt to establish a platform for what could lead to global governance.
Speaker A:Am I saying too much in saying it that way?
Speaker D:No, no.
Speaker D:I think we're clearly on a trajectory that is going more towards that than away from it.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:And what do I mean?
Speaker D:So we Covid was a world shock type event.
Speaker D:In world shock events, you have a response that people respond, react to them, some seek to take advantage of them.
Speaker D:In any event, there was a lot of response To Covid.
Speaker D:Some were pointing out the overreach of government, the trampling of individual freedoms.
Speaker D:Some were saying we need to do more to stop the spread of pandemics.
Speaker D:Well, the latter would necessitate increased government control and oversight of our lives.
Speaker D:And yet this is the perspective being pushed by many in positions of government in different countries around the world, in global government organizations like the World Health Organization and other circles of what you might call the elites of society.
Speaker D:The presiding view in those circles is that the governments need more power to deal with this and it needs to be more coordinated globally.
Speaker D:Right?
Speaker D:So this is not like they're saying, oh, let's call it a draw, stay where we were, recognize there was some trampling of rights.
Speaker D:We want more control.
Speaker D:Let's call it a draw.
Speaker D:They're saying, no, no, no, they're saying, we want more power.
Speaker D:That's important for people to know.
Speaker D:And it's important to know that the perspectives of those who said our rights are being trampled, individual rights, religious freedom and all, aside from whether the governmental control measures were even affected in doing what the governments claimed they were trying to do, right, stop the spread of COVID and the like, that was not even discussed either.
Speaker D: Geneva, Switzerland in May of: Speaker D:To.
Speaker D:To increase our do more to stop the spread of COVID or any other similar world health emergency.
Speaker D:Okay, so that's important because it's a matter of how the discussion is even going to be approached.
Speaker D:When you have all of the focus on that, none of it on did we overreach and suppress freedom?
Speaker D:You're going to have a certain warp outcome.
Speaker D:You're going to have an outcome that is way skewed entirely towards the perspective of control and increased government oversight.
Speaker D:Okay?
Speaker D:So this is the approach.
Speaker D:Now, the fruit of that was borne out in discussions on a pandemic agreement and amendments to the international health regulations, okay.
Speaker D:Both of which were being considered for amendments that would increase governmental oversight and control and coordination globally, increase global governance through these two areas.
Speaker D:The pandemic agreement had disagreements between countries over sharing of resources and the like.
Speaker D:So they did not finalize that, but they're continuing to work on that.
Speaker D:The ihr, the amendments were finalized with some incremental increase towards global coordinating governmental power.
Speaker D:So it's important to see the march towards global governments that's borne out in these discussions in These actions taken, the finalization of those amendments and in the fora that are continuing to occur.
Speaker D:About discussions of global health.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Now is the World Health Organization, I imagine it's focusing primarily or solely upon the issue of pandemics.
Speaker D:Well, it's interesting because it's, you know, until Covid, it did not receive a lot of attention.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:But it's part of the United nations organizations.
Speaker D:It's a global organization, so it has member states.
Speaker D:I think 194 nations of the world are members of the World Health Organization.
Speaker D:And it should be serving the interests of its members and it should be run by them.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:But what has happened is a shift slowly but surely towards bureaucrats and unelected leaders appointed to roles, administrative roles, within the World Health Organization, who are exerting increased influence over decision making, policy documents and outcomes and priorities and focus and budgeting of the organization.
Speaker D:So this is a shift in that way that's similar to the shifts that have occurred in other United nations organizations.
Speaker D:But it's a global health organization.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:So it's dealt with COVID It deals with other pandemics, other health threats and emergencies as it sees them historically.
Speaker D:Look, it's understandable.
Speaker D:We would want global health coordination when dealing with certain viruses and threats that spread globally.
Speaker D:That's understandable.
Speaker D:But the question is, what happens on the back of that?
Speaker D:What is piggybacking in or attaching itself to the back of that tree that everyone would say, we agree with.
Speaker D:Let's, let's deal with this problem.
Speaker D:What happens is those seeking increased control and influence attach themselves to something everyone's agreeing with.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker D:And then they've established that influence.
Speaker D:Similar to how you see people, you know, growing government through other threats like the need for security and dealing with terrorism.
Speaker D:Yeah, understandable.
Speaker D:But then once that government entity is there, it's not going.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like the Patriot act and everything that's kind of grown since early thousands.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:In America.
Speaker C:And so taken together with the initiative.
Speaker A:Of the Pact for the Future with the United nations, there are clearly in the Pact for the Future other areas besides pandemics.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like digital and social justice and.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I mean, the Pact for the Future is an over 60 page document that basically is a priority agenda document for the United Nations.
Speaker D:Now to go into my previous point, the United nations should be serving the interests of its member states.
Speaker D:It was an organization created after World War II to coordinate international action to protect human rights, to Prevent another Holocaust, World War II.
Speaker D:So why is an organization like that putting forth its own Agenda document.
Speaker D:It shouldn't be.
Speaker D:It should asking.
Speaker D:Be asking its member states.
Speaker D:Good question.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:But again, this is representative of a ship towards bureaucracy.
Speaker D:So this document itself put forward by the United nations and giving more power to the Secretary General, among other things, addressing areas of sustainable development, international peace and security, science, technology, youth, global governments, governance and digital matters.
Speaker D:And there's a digital global compact which is the Acts for the Future proposal for addressing digital matters, including cracking down on misinformation.
Speaker D:So, you know, you look at something like this, you think, oh well, some of these ideas sound okay.
Speaker D:Look at where it came from.
Speaker D:What member nations got together and said, we are going to jointly produce this thing and push and set it forth.
Speaker D:The UN as a body to take it up.
Speaker D:It's coming from within the bureaucracy.
Speaker D:It's coming from those who think the United nations member states need to do more.
Speaker D:They're saying the member states are not acting, therefore we, the United nations bureaucracy will act.
Speaker D:That was never the purpose of the United Nations.
Speaker D:That's the subversion of power.
Speaker D:It's an illegal, I would say an illegal, unlawful allocation of authority and power.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker D:And this is represented in this pact for the future in similar action.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, just as an aside, I just saw a headline today.
Speaker A:I haven't clicked into it yet, but there's really been a leftward lurching in.
Speaker E:The uk you know, with the Labor Party coming into power and they are coming after X, they're going to try to and Elon Musk, you know, over this idea of disinformation.
Speaker E:I mean that, that moniker disinformation is, is a nightmare, isn't it?
Speaker E:You can hang anything under that.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:If you look at the trends, believers need to observe the trends.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:What do we see?
Speaker D:We see people going after things because it's quote, misinformation, end quote.
Speaker D:We see people looking to quote, protect democracy, end quote.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:Most people agree with protecting democracy.
Speaker D:If you just look at that term, then most people would agree.
Speaker D:They don't want misinformation.
Speaker D:Okay, so again, piggybacking on noble sounding slogans, themes, ideals.
Speaker D:But what is being piggybacked on?
Speaker D:What is being attached to those serious problems?
Speaker D:Very ugly, ugly proposals.
Speaker D:Because the proposal to deal with misinformation is a crackdown of free speech.
Speaker D:Sure.
Speaker D:The way in which they will protect democracy is excluding any viewpoints they deem undemocratic.
Speaker D:This is actually, you know, it's ironic because some of what's being done in the name of protecting democracy is actually harming democracy.
Speaker D:Some of what's being done in the name of protecting misinformation is to actually suppress perspectives which could provide helpful information.
Speaker D:So again, we need to discern, understand how these things are developing and pray and act according.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so as a believer in Christ, a follower of Christ, the challenge, I mean you may think I don't really, this is just mind numbing international stuff and I'm just trying to get through this month, you know, but you know, I think that as we have kingdom agency in Christ and we do need to become geo aware.
Speaker A:Jesus said, my house is a house, quoting Isaiah.
Speaker A:My house is a house of prayer for all nations.
Speaker A:He's a global God, the earth belongs to him, the fullness thereof and those who dwell therein.
Speaker C:And yeah, we, you know, Leonard Sweet,.
Speaker E:I don't know if he invented the word, he could have because he's so good with words, but he comes up with the word glocal, you know, that.
Speaker A:We need to be locally based but.
Speaker E:Globally aware and globally influential.
Speaker E:This is really the call that we're.
Speaker A:Making, I think in this episode is to become aware almost like the sons of Issachar Travis, you know, in the.
Speaker E:Old Testament the tribe, they had a.
Speaker A:Special anointing, a special calling in that tribe to understand the times and what Israel ought to do, you know, so like a prophetic awareness and then what do we do prayerfully do to be salt and light in this nation, in this world at this time.
Speaker C:So would it be your.
Speaker A:It was kind of a softball, I'm sure.
Speaker C:But would it be your thinking that.
Speaker A:Both of these documents and these sorts.
Speaker E:Of initiatives would deteriorate national sovereignty and.
Speaker A:Move decision making away from.
Speaker E:I think this was your statement, it.
Speaker A:Would move decision making away from individual.
Speaker E:Nations to more towards a world power.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker D:And as we were discussing before, you know, this is a shift, right?
Speaker D:So it's not like 0 to 100 all at once, but we have to observe the shift, the direction things are moving, right?
Speaker D:So we say, is this current moving in or out of the inlet?
Speaker D:Is this, is this car drifting to the right or left?
Speaker D:So we observe the ship, the motion around us in the world.
Speaker D:If we look at the global government situation, national power, national sovereignty versus global concentration of power, the shift is towards global shift, is away from national authority, towards global authority.
Speaker D:And I say a shift because people would say, well what do you mean?
Speaker D:Look, we're still electing national leaders.
Speaker D:A president dictates national policy, executive and Congress, you know, acts to do national legislation.
Speaker D:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker D:But, but what is the, the slow imperceptible until you stop and see it undercurrent that is at work in the world.
Speaker D:It is a shift in favor of New York, Geneva, Brussels, the other global concentrations centers, global power centers.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:Geneva, you got the UN bodies there in Rights Council, New York, you have some, you have a lot of international institutions, some of the UN headquarters there, Brussels, head of the eu.
Speaker D:The shift is in fate towards those places away from the national capitals, on balance.
Speaker D:Okay, so we have to observe the shift.
Speaker D:Note that shift is at odds with the sovereign, national sovereign structure the Bible talks about.
Speaker D:Because it talks about nations, talks about peoples.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:It doesn't talk about one global government.
Speaker D:If you look at the Tower of Babel, the account of that God was concerned about, but mildly concerned about humanity coming together and seeking to reach to heaven and not acknowledge Him.
Speaker D:Okay, so we have to observe, is God being acknowledged in governmental power centers, in what they're doing, what they're saying, how they're acting, what policies are.
Speaker D:Are their policies honoring the God and his kingdom and his principles and what's on his.
Speaker D:Yeah, that's important for government any level, but it becomes more important when it's a one government, one global government, and it's not honoring God.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:In preparation for this interview, I looked up the passage that I've been quite familiar with in Acts 17, Paul's in Athens, which was a center of thought and philosophers.
Speaker A:He's debating there in public forums.
Speaker A: And he says in Acts: Speaker A:And here it is, boundaries of their dwelling place.
Speaker A:And the outcome that God is looking for is giving people a chance.
Speaker A:Verse 27 says that they should seek God and perhaps feel their way toward him and find Him.
Speaker A:Isn't that beautiful language?
Speaker E:That's the ESV translation of Paul there.
Speaker E:But so it's clear we can look at other passages.
Speaker A:Like you mentioned the Tower of Babel and what God was catalyzing there.
Speaker A:You know, the formation of nations and spreading out throughout the earth.
Speaker A:Do you see that nations are sort of a check and balance against global evil?
Speaker A:I guess I kind of see it that way.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker D:Because you have governments who are able to keep each other in check.
Speaker D:When one is doing a bad thing, you have good ones that are able to keep them in check.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:And so you can imagine a situation which there's one world power and it's acting Opposed to God.
Speaker D:The Bible speaks to this, you know, and then it also speaks to the idea of one world power acting with, with God's principles in mind.
Speaker D:Well, we know that perfection is only going to come when the Lord comes to, to to set things right and in execution of a final judgment, final setting things right from his governmental perspective on the earth.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:So we know until that yeah, we work, we strive towards good, to represent God, God's love and truth and blessing on those around us.
Speaker D:But we have to recognize we're walking in reality.
Speaker D:We're operating in light of the reality of fallen world.
Speaker A:And we're also like operating, seeking we should be to operate in the light of the age which is to come, the millennium and then the new heavens and new earth.
Speaker A:I try to use the prayer architecture that, you know, the Lord's prayer that he gave us.
Speaker A:Our Father in heaven, may your name be hallowed in our lives today.
Speaker A:May we not take your name to ourselves in vain.
Speaker A:And may your kingdom come and may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Speaker A:The ultimate fulfillment being Christ's coming in the completeness of his kingdom.
Speaker A:But asking for the Lord to increase in our life.
Speaker A:Now as a, like a preface to that we live, we are preparing for that.
Speaker A:We're kind of warming up to that, seeking to grow in the Lord and seeking to establish justice and righteousness.
Speaker A:Now let's talk about America for a second.
Speaker A:Travis, perhaps another softball.
Speaker A:I might be a softball machine here,.
Speaker E:Just shooting softballs, but do we actually.
Speaker A:Have leaders in America who resonate with this and who are all too happy to tilt in this direction?
Speaker D:Yeah, I mean, I think you have some leaders who do recognize the threat that we're talking about here.
Speaker D:I believe, though, it's more and more critical for, for national leaders, for members of Congress, you know, frankly, even state governments, state government legislators.
Speaker D:To understand the dynamic we're talking about here.
Speaker D:I think it merits our increased attention.
Speaker D:For many folks, they might say, well, it's far away.
Speaker D:I have local pressing concerns.
Speaker D:And those are true.
Speaker D:We don't want to dismiss those concerns.
Speaker D:However, we have to keep an eye on what's happening around the world because we're so interconnected now.
Speaker D:And we have to recognize the shift that I've been talking about, the shift towards global power to prepare for a time in which it might even be more increased than it is now.
Speaker D:But I think leaders are recognizing this.
Speaker D:There are a number of state governors have recognized the threat of the pandemic agreement.
Speaker D:Some state legislatures have passed laws regarding their own sovereignty over health and other matters left to them by the Constitution institution of the United States in light of the who's actions and proposed, the proposed pandemic agreement that is being considered.
Speaker D:And so they're, they're responding to that appropriately by noting they have authority over certain matters in their state.
Speaker D:And this has gotten some attention from Congress.
Speaker D:There's been some bills moving through Congress as well.
Speaker D:So I do think some leaders are responding to this.
Speaker B:Help me out with this.
Speaker A:I mean according to our United States Constitution, the states really have all powers save those that are enumerated and given over to the federal government.
Speaker A:Am I right?
Speaker D:Well, they, they, yes, that's the general framework, you know, and then the power is left to the states, including the general who, the general plenary police power over law and order over health safety of the citizens in those states.
Speaker D:So yeah, this is an important reminder because you know so much sometimes is assume to just be left with Washington D.C. or national leaders, but our Constitution says otherwise.
Speaker A:So also the issue of digital currency and the potential of a national digital currency.
Speaker A:Can you comment on that?
Speaker A:I know the one guest, Gabe Lyons from Think Media was talking about the threat of a currency that could be programmed.
Speaker A:And because it is potentially programmable, it can be established here's what you can buy, here's what you can't buy, or here's how much you could buy of this.
Speaker E:And you can't buy more than that amount of something.
Speaker E:And it really takes all of the individual freedom and control of one's wealth.
Speaker A:Or one's money away.
Speaker E:This potential, at any rate money that you think is yours is now being controlled by bureaucrats.
Speaker E:And what about that issue, the potential future of digital currency?
Speaker D:Yeah, I mean it was interesting comment because I think many are aware of, you know, the threat of priest government control, the financial system.
Speaker D:But I think you brought out interesting perspective on that.
Speaker D:I do think if we look at China and what's happening there with their measures, the use of technology to control citizens daily decisions.
Speaker D:Yeah, we have to understand, we have to ask the question what is preventing that from coming to the United States?
Speaker D:Some might say, oh, we've never had that.
Speaker D:We're a free country.
Speaker D:Yes, we've been a free country.
Speaker D:But what is preventing that from coming in the future?
Speaker D:I would argue there's, there's nothing preventing it.
Speaker D:If the people of the United States don't recognize that as a threat and join together in unity and stand in opposition to that threat, there's nothing to prevent that.
Speaker D:And frankly I think we're on.
Speaker D:We have some warning signs we're on a bad trajectory that is putting us in a place where we're almost inviting some of that in.
Speaker D:What do I mean?
Speaker D:The way in which the discussion around us Society is focused so much on health and safety, comfort, security, those are the priorities of so many Americans.
Speaker D:And when those are flatly in a blanket manner, we just say, oh, that's our priorities.
Speaker D:Well, okay, if that's your priorities, then other things are getting dropped.
Speaker D:Freedom, individual rights and privacy.
Speaker D:And so I would say to Americans, oh, you know, no, no, that's China.
Speaker D:We're not going to be like China.
Speaker D:Well, we need to change what we're asking, demanding of our government.
Speaker D:And if we don't want to be like that, we need to say we're going to value privacy, individual freedom, individual rights over security.
Speaker D:At some level, we're going to value that more than security and say, no, the government cannot cross this line.
Speaker D:That's an intrusion into our privacy.
Speaker D:We demand that individual freedom be protected.
Speaker E:Our first freedoms, our founding rights, of which the very first one I understand our founders were prioritizing, of course, in the First Amendment, the first phrase, freedom of religion, but also in that amendment, freedom of speech, you know, the right to assemble.
Speaker E:I love the thought, I love the quote on the interior of the Thomas Jefferson Memorial.
Speaker E:Thomas Jefferson, who had a, had a pen like a symphony, didn't he?
Speaker E:But I mean, I've sworn sworn eternal hostility upon the altar of God.
Speaker E:You know, the control of thinking.
Speaker E:The control of thought.
Speaker E:Kind of paraphrasing the last part.
Speaker E:But this is that rugged early DNA of America that you're referring to.
Speaker E:I'm going to think the way I'm going to think.
Speaker E:I'm going to say what I'm going to say.
Speaker E:I'm going to keep private what I'm going to keep private.
Speaker E:I have the right to assemble, I have the right to worship as I see fit.
Speaker E:All of that.
Speaker A:Now, Travis, you.
Speaker E:As we draw this in and, and, and, and maybe we can just draw a few bullet points too quickly about what we can do as believers.
Speaker E:Some just a quick bullet points.
Speaker E:But you had a statement that really stood out in the panel to me and you said we need to observe and discern what's happening.
Speaker E:We need to be able to pray and to prepare.
Speaker E:I love this idea of preparation, Travis.
Speaker E:You know, I think that we are.
Speaker A:To be a prophetic people, like be.
Speaker E:Aware of what's coming over the horizon.
Speaker E:Right.
Speaker A:And you know, ahead of the curve.
Speaker E:There's no Reason why we can't be.
Speaker D:Ahead of the curve.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker E:And then you said that we need to emphasize gazing upon the Lord and not the news cycle because the news will not fill me, it will drain me.
Speaker E:And we need the joy that comes from the Lord himself and the hope that comes from the Holy Spirit and that comes with communing with the Lord.
Speaker E:Such a great statement there.
Speaker E:But yeah, what are we gazing on?
Speaker E:Right.
Speaker E:It's kind of hard not to gaze on a news cycle when it's so every day is a turn like it is and everything is so accelerated.
Speaker D:Yeah, no, no, I.
Speaker D:It's understandable pressure for so many.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:But we need to adhere to the scriptures despite the difficult, you know, changing circumstances around of us.
Speaker D:And really, when I say that, I mean we need to have a love for the Lord and a close relationship with him where we're just valuing that above all else.
Speaker D:And that is at of depth in the heart.
Speaker D:There's a heart depth with our relationship with the Lord where we're just, we're enjoying that enough that we're going to enjoy that regardless of what happens around us.
Speaker A:And that in and of itself, that increasing measure of his presence that you started out with, that's going to help us, isn't it, to pray better, to.
Speaker E:Be more perceiving, to know what to do to fulfill our calling as individuals.
Speaker A:And with others in the body, doing.
Speaker E:Things together with others in the body.
Speaker E:Isn't that what the whole concept of an organization is kind of built on?
Speaker E:I mean, rallying people and resources to.
Speaker A:Initiate and do things together?
Speaker E:You know, a local church.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker E:So what would be a couple bullet points for the Christ follower practically?
Speaker D:So I would say, let's say, take stock of your kind of your local network, support personnel, support network.
Speaker D:And when I say that, I mean it's kind of.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:What's the family?
Speaker D:What's the first line of defense?
Speaker D:Our families.
Speaker D:Okay, what about those not living with their immediate family or single people living somewhere else?
Speaker D:We have networks of friends and church networks.
Speaker D:And I'm talking about Christian support.
Speaker D:I'm talking about in all these instances, other believers who are going to focus on the Lord help us focus on the Lord and we help them focus on the Lord to be jointly gazing and drawing from the raising on the Lord, drawing from him together to be supporting one another.
Speaker D:We need this in terms of our practical support, spiritual support, this life connection.
Speaker D:So we need this to happen.
Speaker D:We need this to happen in local bodies of believers, really, local churches, ideally, we need it to happen.
Speaker D:If we have roommates or we have a family or living with their family, we need to be observing it and facilitating it in that context.
Speaker D:And basically it's the believers around us in the most immediate circle.
Speaker D:So let's strengthen.
Speaker D:We need to strengthen those relationships and strengthen our own relationship with the Lord.
Speaker A:And, you know, what about prayer?
Speaker A:I mean, the emphasis upon pursuing the prayer edge, not only in our personal prayer closet, but with prayer clusters.
Speaker E:Right.
Speaker D:Agreement prayer, absolutely.
Speaker D:That's part of that network.
Speaker D:Like those relationships need to be.
Speaker D:We need to be jointly relating to the Lord through prayer and really focusing on depth of heart level, heart connection with the Lord in prayer.
Speaker D:That's receiving what the Lord wants to give us, allowing him in to heal areas need to be healed, heal wounds and minister to us with his power.
Speaker D:We need to receive from him, allow him in, and allow his name to be glorified and not try to kind of lean on our own efforts or methods to accomplish something.
Speaker A:An organization like your organization, the Family Research Council, is sort of on the raw bleeding edge of advocating for public policy with states and federal government.
Speaker E:You know, like assault and light, preserving influence and shaping and steering.
Speaker E:I mean, the individual believer.
Speaker A:Is there an application for the individual believer to not only pray and to be aware, but certainly to vote and maybe, I don't know, on certain initiatives or marshaling political will to be salt and light on some of these edges?
Speaker D:Absolutely.
Speaker D:I mean, even the FRC tagline, pray, vote, stand, you know, there's a.
Speaker D:They praying is the governmental engagement part.
Speaker D:I'm sorry, the voting's government engagement part.
Speaker D:Praying, the spiritual engagement part.
Speaker D:And then standing is kind of almost representing the two in a way, like standing in the gap.
Speaker D:We represent the Lord in the context in which we're called.
Speaker D:So that's there's actions there, but there's also a kind of witnessing component of representing the Lord's perspective on the place we are.
Speaker D:So for us at frc, with our work, that's government.
Speaker D:But other believers will be called other places.
Speaker D:And the Lord has a place for all of us, regardless of where we are.
Speaker D:If we seek him, he wants to use us to minister in that place.
Speaker B:So appreciate this.
Speaker A:Travis, would you mind leading us in prayer over these, you know, these spaces?
Speaker A:Appreciate that.
Speaker D:Absolutely.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:So, Lord, we do come before you, Lord, and we join together with our own.
Speaker D:In agreement, Lord, we join together.
Speaker D:We join with those of your people listening, Lord, in seeking you.
Speaker D:We say, lord, we desire you to be with us.
Speaker D:We desire to be with you, Lord.
Speaker D:We invite you in.
Speaker D:We say, Lord, have your way.
Speaker D:Have your way with how you want to use us during this time you have us on the earth in the places that you've called us to.
Speaker D:And Lord, we just ask for your insight, your illumination, your strengthening and your built your power to build us up through the Holy Spirit to be image bearers of you, effective image bearers of you who were effective witnesses of you in the place that you have us, Lord, out of love for you, Lord.
Speaker D:So Lord, we say, priest, our ability to shine you to those around us, Lord and may your word go forth in power, Lord, to all who are listening to this broadcast in Jesus name, Amen.
Speaker A:Amen.
Speaker C:We agree.
Speaker A:Travis thank you for carving out time today.
Speaker A:FRC.org website appreciate what you're doing.
Speaker A:Stay strong and keep going.
Speaker D:Okay, thank you.
Speaker D:Thank you.
Speaker D:Absolutely.
Speaker D:It's good to be on.
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Speaker B:A huge thank you to Travis Weber and the Family Research Council.
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